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NOTE: This track has been updated and retitled Fusion of Minds.

In my 2010 project collaborating with saxophonist Woody Mankowski, we have moved from swing through bop to funk in previous posts. In this number we slide into late 70s/early 80s Jazz Fusion. But unlike the vast majority of jazz fusion that I've listened to, there are no synths or electric guitars (not yet, anyway). It's a piano driven piece, with Woody supplying all saxes. It does feature straight ahead rock style drumming and a much less jazz bass (which is mostly lost cuz its so frickin' low). This version is edited from the original 9:40 original, which I hope to post after guitars are added. But I liked the acoustic sound without guitars, so I edited out the guitar solo spaces and repeating horn hits toward the end and came up with this shortened version. It still clocks in at 6:27, so it's not exactly short.

I called the song "Mindreader" because, especially starting at 3:44 or so, Woody commented to me that it sounds like we're reading each other's minds. I thought it made a cool title.

I had trouble with the mix on this one, again. I hope the sax isn't too loud. Again, sounds balanced on my speakers. In my headphones, it sounds almost like it would if you were sitting at the piano. But I've had to lower the level due to comments on most of the other tracks. The soprano sax is such a difficult instrument to record, since the sound can come out of holes near the top so you can't just mic the bell; and when the sound does come out of just the bell, its really loud. I spent hours leveling out each note and phrase, even after compressing the track. It's still very expressive, but many less peaks and valleys as in the track Woody sent me.

I had trouble with phasing on the ensemble horn track Woody sent. He originally sent a mono track, but when I requested a panned stereo track, the phasing was still there, altho better. I actually alter the EQ of over a dozen phrases (or partial phrases) to try and lessen the effect, which makes it better. It didn't bother Suzanne, but drove me crazy. It was more prominent when the alto sax played in unison, so those lines got special treatment.

A ton of adjustments and extended listening sessions, made more endurance-testing due to its 9:40 length. Took me all week to do. I used "Logic Pro" to record and mix, "Live" to level out the sop sax tracks and continually adjust EQ of the backing horns, and "Peak" to master. Hope you like it. The piano reminds me of how I played 2 Peas in a Chili Pod, a solo piece I dedicated to McBoy a couple years ago.

The song art, like the last two songs, is made with PhotoTropedelic. That's Woody on the right, me on the left.

Project 2010 with Woody Mankowski (so far):
Seafood Gumbo Bop
Oasis On The Rocks
Saddle Shoe Sally
Lost In The West Village
The Müller's Wheel
Windowshade II
Mindreader (edited version)

You can also follow the progress of this project on my website:
www.tobinmueller.com/wheel/

Vocal variations of this series:
Seafood Gumbo w/ AngelaHope

If you haven't heard much of my jazz stuff, please check out all the draft mixes that ended up on the album RAIN BATHER.
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Sir Bass said 2627 days ago (October 5th, 2010)
Sweet
Jam bro.
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magnatone said 2627 days ago (October 5th, 2010)
Mindreader
tobin, this is just superb - congratulations on this excellent outcome - i truly admire you're versatile musicianship!
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TobinMueller said 2624 days ago (October 8th, 2010)
versatile musicianship
Thanks. I've often been accused of being a jack-of-all-trades (the implication: master of none). I much prefer being called a Renaissance Man! I know, in several circles, not concentrating on a specific genre has hurt of career. But it's made my life much more fun.

I've had the fortune of being involved in so many different styles of productions and being able to play around with many different kinds of instruments. It's fun to come up with projects that are able to draw on some of those experiences, to display a wider range of styles. Since I am also a restless artist, I would get bored if I had to play a single style more than a few songs in a row. I appreciate your comments.
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crissew said 2627 days ago (October 5th, 2010)
Beautiful piece here
So pro sounding. You did a great job on that sax. You kept it warm without a hint of harshness. Not easy to do from what I read. Spectacularly funky piano playing. Excellent musicianship from top to bottom here. Loved it, this is some super stuff here!
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crissew said 2627 days ago (October 5th, 2010)
BTW
The mix is on the money i think. Maybe a tad louder on the bass track but that is a matter of taste.
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TobinMueller said 2624 days ago (October 8th, 2010)
Money
Thanks. I am definitely looking forward to the money part of this mix...
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MarkHolbrook said 2627 days ago (October 5th, 2010)
Sounds really
great Tobin! Nice work! Mix sounds good to me!
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mikkinylund said 2627 days ago (October 5th, 2010)
Whoa!
What a tempo and synergy between the two of you, tight, tight, with no loss of the emotions you're trying to express. I am super impressed by both the saxophone performance as well as the piano. I believe however, at least on the sound system I was listening to (and I will give it another try on another system just to confirm), but the sax sounded a bit too high to me. Yet, I do understand the difficulty recording the soprano sax, and have very little experience with it myself to give any professional advice. And by too loud, to me it wasn't imminent either, and perhaps I wouldn't even have though of it hadn't I read your introduction to the piece.

Congratulations to both of you, this is truly a great piece of music.

Thank you!
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TobinMueller said 2624 days ago (October 8th, 2010)
Brooklyn
Thanks. And welcome to NYC! Very cool that you've moved to Brooklyn. I look forward to running into you when you haunt Manhattan. My son, Anton (Twon), lives in the Flatbush area of Brooklyn. I'd tell you to try and run into him, but I'm not sure hanging in his neighborhood would be a safe bet...
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alackbass said 2627 days ago (October 5th, 2010)
Mindreader (edited version)
Downloaded!
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ziti said 2627 days ago (October 5th, 2010)
sweet
really nice stuff here tobin....a little dry in the mix for me...but great recording and performances!!!

very nice man!

z
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ziti said 2627 days ago (October 5th, 2010)
plus
the piano solo is enourmous! sheesh!!!!
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TobinMueller said 2624 days ago (October 8th, 2010)
Sheesh!
Thanks. Love your double take. Thanks for listening.
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ktb said 2627 days ago (October 5th, 2010)
Mindreader
top shelf Tobin. Crazy cool upbeat jazz progression. Liked the little latin interludes you'd inject. All the solos shine but the band sound is what appeals most to me.
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TobinMueller said 2624 days ago (October 8th, 2010)
little latin interludes
Those were originally kind of for a laugh, like when players quote Rhapsody In Blue and such. In the longer version, it results in a really cool theme and variation thing that the guitar will eventually play over. You might like that version even more. Hope so...
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Vic Holman said 2626 days ago (October 5th, 2010)
you sure have been on a roll
this year. heck i thought you said you weren't going to do anything. ha ha! well i have been enjoying this series.
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TobinMueller said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
New Years resolution
Thanks. Actually, my New Years resolution was to do nothing original this year, not to just do nothing! I think it was my reaction to how audiences mostly want something that is comfortable and recognizable ("accessible"), and for most of my side career as a solo/combo player I've tried to create new and unexpected sounds (although I always try for "accessible.") And even tho Rain Bather was well reviewed, it's sales were disappointing. I was tired. So I resolved to do nothing original. But this little project of paying homage to my favorite accessible combo music kind of kept growing and growing, and has turned into something really fine. I'm proud of what we're capturing. I'm really glad you're enjoying it too.
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tf10music said 2626 days ago (October 5th, 2010)
yes
another one for my 'tobin mueller and his insanely talented sax-toting associate' playlist on itunes. Again, everything was pro and the playing had so much color. Nice work!
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RochaMalhada said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
clean
Hey - I kind of like it dry. This is such a fine jam. Piano jam is tops

This is one of those you could play just anywhere, any day. awesome

. - Harold

PS: I didn't get the memo on this one (what?)... :)
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RochaMalhada said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Oh,
AND thanks for the D/L - You ROCK!
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TobinMueller said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Memo
"PS: I didn't get the memo on this one" - I haven't gotten around to sending it out yet. Been a tad busy. We're putting in a shed on the back of our property, in the rain, and then I caught a cold. But I plan to before the weekend...

Thanks for the forum plug, too! Very nice.
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Einarus said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Every song a hit - every hit a smash!
Seriously - this is just awesome.
Your stuff is without a doubt one of the most professional sounding work on this site. And definitely one of the most fun to listen to!

I feel I should be paying for this...

If I could fav this a dozen times - I would.

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TobinMueller said 2624 days ago (October 8th, 2010)
A dozen favs
Thanks. I looked with amusement at the bottom of the song page and realized in your enthusiasm you forgot to fav this even once! Haha! That made me smile more broadly than a real fav. I'm very appreciative of your comments and careful ears.
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tford said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Outstanding
Very cool-Great feel-Great sax and piano playing.
Very professional. Tom
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mvh9591 said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Very Nice___
great mix, that is some awesome piano playing. Man - I wish I could play half as good. Truely enjoyed - Thanks for sharing,

mvh : )
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RAVENS said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Groovy
I don't think the sax is too loud, I think it's showcased nicely. The piano glides brilliantly throughout too. Has kind of like a "Sex in the City" vibe to it. Wonderfully mixed, love the title too!

RAVEN ;-)
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ShadowofNine said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Stunningly Good
Amazing work...Awesome...Bravi...
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awigze said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Tobin and Woody
Your offerings always reminds me of the miles I have untravelled to being a great player such as Woody.... I have always liked that in unison reaction with alto / Tenor. or alto / bass trombone. Phasing though, I am not sure about. I typically play Tenor/Tenor or tenor solos, so I have not heard that in any of my own recordings but I am guessing that there could be a special timbre that melds when 2 horns are recorded by the same person (embouchure)
I dont own a Soprano but have always heard that they are pitchy and do not stay in tune for very long. Not sure why that is... reeds? temperature of the brass as it is being handled and played? - all of the above.... phase of the moon? I didn't hear any of that in this piece however. A song well played, I can really appreciate the time you have spent on this song. Marvelous!
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TobinMueller said 2624 days ago (October 8th, 2010)
Phasing
Thanks. I used to play sax. In fact, it was my main instrument until about my junior year in college. I played alto and bari. I loved the baritone sax, and often having the freedom of being the only voice on a baseline, able to play some things that weren't necessarily written. So I've sat or stood next to saxes my whole life, either as a pianist or a fellow sax player. I love the instrument. In instability of tuning is one of its charms; and, yes, Woody shows no sign of ever playing out of tune.

In fact, those really low notes that occasionally surface in this arrangement (and are repeated more in the longer version), Woody is playing below the tenor range, actually pushing the bell with his foot (as well as using his embouchure) to hit those bari-range lows.

I think if we separate the altos left and right, instead of pan each instrument into its own slot, this will alleviate phasing in the future. That's my hope. But EQing differently each separate track before bumping them down into a combined backing horns stereo track will also help.

THis is the first time Woody has recording at his home. He's using Garangeband as a newbie. I'm pretty happy with the results, considering. We're learning quickly.
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J.A.Stewart said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Accessible, Indeed
You hit what you aimed at, Tobin. There's so much in this tune that resonates with me. Great funky sound with some great solos and tight interplay between you and Woody.

To my ears, the bass is a little dull and subdued and the sax, at times perhaps just a bit too dominant in the mix, but overall nothing detracts from what sounds to be a lively and joyous session. ;)


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Scorpjammer said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Jazz Cruisin'
Wow, T. My wife and I get away to the shores of Fenwick Island, DE when the weekends allow, They have a smooth jazz radio station (WQJZ) that serves the Delmarva area which we listen to when cruising from Rehobeth Beach and all points south. This tunes puts me in the mood to get cruisin'. NICE WORK!
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edpdx said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
The magic
of music and how it can boost your spirit! Great piece of music!

Thanks for the boost!
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davajonah said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Brilliant is the word
I listen to all kinds of music, really, but this "genre" is the one I come back to the most, I would say. This is terrific music. I love the little latiny piano motifs that pop up here and there. You are both so definitely in synergy. Thank you.
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guitapick said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Woody...
...gets around on those horns.

I don't have any problem with the mix, at all...but we're always harder on ourselves when we put so much personal effort in...which is a good thing, imho.

I'm always amazed at the piano...a piece sounds so full and then you realize it's a piano. One instrument. Add more it's an orchestra.

Another fine piece, Tobin. I like the main riff...everything springs nicely off of it.
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FEEL said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Wish I could
Borrow your ears on occasion. Sounded really good through the iPhone speaker. The sax was definitely dominant but I could hear the rest of the instruments clearly. Then again... It was coming from my iPhone speaker. Truly a fine execussiion. Enjoyed.
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futzpucker said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
This is the real stuff
Spectacular, flawless musicianship here, Tobin. I greatly enjoy jazz with a funky feeling like this. The mix works perfectly for my ears - no problem with the saxes, the drum sound is great, and the balance is perfection.

Your piano playing astounds me, Tobin, both your soloing and your comping. Absolutely killer, never overstated.

This is great music and I'm grateful to download it and put it on my iPod. Thanks...
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fasteddie said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Nice one Tobin
The piano and sax drive the song nicely. You guys really sound like your having fun playing; its evident in the inflection and tempo.

I can see what you mean by the jazz bass being a bit low. That does affect the mix somewhat and the bass feels slightly behind in my monitors but not bad. I really like your bass player. He's awesome!

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rabittwhole said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
big smiles.....
perfection Tobin...sweet stuff man.
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bud said 2626 days ago (October 6th, 2010)
Wow this is some sweet stuff
your piano solo section in the front section is so well composed and played with ease and fluency. I like the straightforward approach of this recording/composition. Plenty of cleverness and invention without being showy - just smart.
Nice work. Woody sounds great - all of your hard work paid off.
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thetiler said 2625 days ago (October 7th, 2010)
Like how this
jumps right out of the shoot ! Like how the horn sounds so crystal cleark, like how the piano, drums horn work so well together. This is terrific. Always it seems I get rewarded with great music everytime I take a listen to your wonderful tunes ! Way to GO !
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woofer3 said 2625 days ago (October 7th, 2010)
Mindreader
Excellent piece, well produced and beautifully played with a tight arrangement.
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CIASM_ZENABI_ said 2625 days ago (October 7th, 2010)
mindreader
obviously a very standar of playing. great interplay, cool groove with right on changes. lots of space and respect given to each side. great production. great phrasing. lots of technique on display. cool stuff
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dave_b said 2625 days ago (October 7th, 2010)
Mindreader
Great stuff! Superb musicianship, terrific mix. Straight ahead groove keeps things accessible for us old rock guys.
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rok41 said 2625 days ago (October 7th, 2010)
Mindreader
This is sooo well written and performed! Killer production...and regarding the bass, as a bassist I love to hear rich warm tones but in this case despite the understated mix I believe what you have here fits...it is more implied than noted. Nice.
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Feter said 2625 days ago (October 7th, 2010)
Mindreader
Great conversation piece ..real mind reader
happening between you two ...top notch production
I miss a guitar chop tone here but this is Jazz
what do I know ...tight ..yup ...enjoyed ...yup
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Ed Hannifin said 2625 days ago (October 7th, 2010)
This sounds great, Tobin...
A nice funky swing to it.... The piano phrases against the sax and vice versa really sonorously... There's sweetness, a hint of edge, but a nice blend overall.... On my speakers, this sounds just right... I'd have to reach for something to come up with a nit... It has a nice life to it... Nice trading back and forth, and nice playing together...
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jiguma said 2624 days ago (October 7th, 2010)
Yet again
you've confirmed for me that must I like jazz ;) Very cool playing all 'round - in parts (around 2:10) I almost expect James Taylor to start singing.
I'd probably like the drums and bass up a little - just felt a need to find a nit :)
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billykirsch said 2624 days ago (October 8th, 2010)
Smooth
Initially it has a deceptively straight smooth jazz vibe. As you said, the drum pattern may be responsible for that (although there are really nice fills in there). Perhaps the singing melodies in the sax.
But then there are those sharp dissonances and syncopated patterns in the piano that makes this jam fly in my mind from the smooth jazz station to a nearby jazz public radio station.
Excellent at every level. We are not worthy.
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ThinkTank said 2624 days ago (October 8th, 2010)
Smooth
yet with enough funkiness and energy to satisfy any jazz lover. The little piano mambo riffs were a nice touch and the soprano sax is a heavy duty player. I really like the sparse instrumentation and horn arrangements, great tune!
perceptualvortex said 2624 days ago (October 8th, 2010)
Renaissance man
That does seem like a good term for you. I loved listening to this, and didn't hear any phasing problems (so I guess you took care of that well!). The mix sounds great in my headphones. I'm really liking all of these tunes you're making with Woody. They're all very lively ear candy.
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tonestones said 2624 days ago (October 8th, 2010)
Great tune
Beautiful mix. The sax sits perfectly. I love this tune. You and Woody work great together. This brings back such great memories of the Brecker Brothers. The only thing I'd suggest changing is the bass. It isn't prominent enough and is really distant in the mix. And, of course, more guitar ;)

This is great stuff. I hope you guys keep them coming. This is a remarkable series of collabs you two have going.

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dancedivine said 2623 days ago (October 9th, 2010)
Groovy....
This is groovy.... Nice production work, too!
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hackneybloke said 2622 days ago (October 10th, 2010)
mindreader
really nice tobin. for me it lacks a little warmth and fill at the bottom, like you say because of the difficulty with the bass....but i'm only nit-picking. i wish you wouldn't mess about with your photos....why can't we see the real TM at the keyboard - unlike you to want to disguise yourself and hide. wink.
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Moviz said 2621 days ago (October 11th, 2010)
Love the
'Lightness' of this. Plenty of air between the instruments and a great pop jazz feel.... very uplifting..... and fabulous musicianship, cheers M
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Calchas said 2621 days ago (October 11th, 2010)
This may well
be my favorite track by you of all time Tobin. To my ears the sound is excellent. This tune has drive, sparkling piano deftly played, and some brilliant sax playing. I just dig the hell out of this man!

Major kudos my friend!

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jibes said 2620 days ago (October 11th, 2010)
Mindreader
Excellent!!!!!!
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SpaceAlien said 2617 days ago (October 15th, 2010)
Shakes.
My feelings shook.
Very, I like this!!

The piano is an aggressive rhythm.
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BirdmanWayne94 said 2616 days ago (October 16th, 2010)
That was...
... a mindBLOWING jam! I enjoyed every second of it. Thanks for the treat! :)
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Char said 2611 days ago (October 20th, 2010)
Sweet!
Love it. Thanks.
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composerclark said 2608 days ago (October 24th, 2010)
Fantastic
This sounds great, Tobin, both in terms of the composition and the mix. Fantastic, musical playing all around. Beautiful track.
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John Stebbe said 2607 days ago (October 25th, 2010)
Sweet
A sweet mix of delicious sounds. I especially enjoyed the sax and piano. So Tobin, that's you on piano, right? You've got great chops! I could learn a lot from you. And it sure sounds like a 'real' piano. Is it?
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ste said 2598 days ago (November 2nd, 2010)
yesss
funky little piece here. everything sits nicely. love those keys! like how your beats sound.
well done on the brass recording.
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Kicbal said 2592 days ago (November 9th, 2010)
Sounds so good to me
I think the mix levels are just right. People forget that in real life, the sax is a hella loud instrument on its own. Take that ampheads ;) I think the interplay between the sax and piano is awesome. I love the little latin riffs thrown in every now and then. This sounds just like it would in good jazz club. Everything upfront and lively. Stellar solos all around. I'm amazed at the improvisation as it's beyond my abilities. Downloaded.
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Silky5 said 2583 days ago (November 18th, 2010)
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Wow. Great tight music. It has the Jazz club feel and the harmony's and chord patterns are fabulous. You do need to be a mindreader in jazz when playing !! lol
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paul f. page said 2563 days ago (December 7th, 2010)
You do jazz
like no one else I've heard, Tobin. I agree with several others (above) that the sax s NOT too loud in the mix, though I wish the piano were UP a little higher behind it. When piano is playing solo, it is perfect...and so groovy. You are blessed with such a wonderful sense of rhythm and just what note work...and how often to fill with a lot of material or to lay back with just simple chords. As I have said a number of times, whenever I listen to one of your numbers, I always find much to learn from not only how you record, but, more importantly, what you write/improv etc. This is just suburb. (Hey. Nice riffs at about 5:10ff. Wow....I am exhausted, but happily so.)
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MarcusPerry said 2516 days ago (January 24th, 2011)
Great!
Very awesome tune.
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